Curse

unienaule · Nov 21, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by AncientPC

How is this any different from War Camp 1? Everyone just sits there spamming greens, and everyone else is just farming GF/SF.

They're not doing it solo, or with scripts/bots.

thehoweller · Nov 21, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Prices of monk runes have dropped immensely in the last few days, if I remember correctly. From the low teens to high single digits. The AoE patch did its job; hopefully, screw offs like these farmers will start to play the game a little more, and stop using their free time as a marketing venture. And yes, the district is filled with farmers, I'd say far more than only 10% of them are botters.

thehoweller · Nov 21, 2005, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Oh, and the economy is anything but wrecked, it's getting there, but Anet'
s cracking down on farming is fixing things, with luck new ways of making money will appear, other than this soloing crap. Message From Light in game, I...I mean he...is a professional runner.

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

And again you conveniently use examples from the US servers with hundreds if not thousands of times larger population. Have you looked at Ascalon 1 in intl district? Lions Arch 1 intl? No? Well, I can tell you that right now, 17.30 central european time, there's 5 people in the only district in Lions Arch. They're not selling anything, but apparently comparing the size of eachothers headgear. Riverside: not a single player. Ascalon: 4 players. Droknars: a whopping 9 players. It's like that in the intl district - it's empty except during frog-events.

I don't understand why you're making such a big deal of the fact that they're hanging out in an international district.

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1) The majority of commercial farmers are chinese. Deal with it.

This does not mean you can assume any group of Chinese players standing around are automatically botters. That's as prejudiced as me assuming any group of blacks standing around are drug dealers.

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2) Not in intl district you can't. As you of course know, but purposely ignore.

So they choose an international district to hang out and trade. It is so unthinkable that they might want to trade with players from other realms?

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Finally, since you insist on playing the racist card I must ask: How, exactly, are you affiliated with these commercial farmers?

Because I'm Chinese and disgusted by your blanket statements. As I've said in multiple posts, I stand around trading all day. That's how I play GW. Then you come along and call anybody with a Chinese name standing around trading all day in Augury 1 are all professional farmers.

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Originally Posted by kai_razorwind

The difference is that they are soloing using a build that wrecked the games economy by allowing an output of gold and rares incompatible with how much the average gamer gains.

I disagree. I feel that UW solo monks, mostly American players, are getting much better drops.

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The difference is that monk sup rune prices are not affordable anymore due to them.

Once again, UW solo monks.

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The difference is that several high level areas have shitty drops because of them, specially UW.

Quality of drop is dependent on how often you farm an area, not how often the gaming community farms an area.

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The difference is that they are not doing it casually,they are doing it around the clock.

Which is the point of debate for this thread.

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And if you cant see all that, you are one of the people (all 5 of you)that will continue to play his game as this situation aggravates and drives more players out. I for one went back to play neverwinter nights, a nearly 4 yo game,because GW is not playable anymore,quite possibly because this community will never unite and request changes for the better, there's always gonna be people like you to wreck any efforts of improvement.

Maybe one day you'll realise that not everyone thinks exactly like you do. Bye. /wave

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Originally Posted by unienaule

They're not doing it solo, or with scripts/bots.

Script and bot farming will be easily detectable to A.net, and thus accounts banned. Where is this mass paranoia regarding botting coming from?

Hakira · Nov 21, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by kai_razorwind

...what else do you call when a district is full of ONLY chinese monks...

A shao-lin temple? sorry i couldnt let that slip ;P

anyways, it appears to be about 60/40 bots and people, which is still a far higher percentage than anywhere else. try talking to a few of the ones that are moving, sometimes you will get no answer, sometimes you'll get illedgible dribble, and sometimes you'll get a "?".

as for the ones spamming
WTS(insert symbols here) 909 MMMM
WTS(insert symbols here) 910 MMMM

they are indeed ALL scripts/bots, as it is impossible for a person to change the numbers (varying anywhere from 1-5000 from what ive seen) in the time frame of .9 secs. If you whisper one of them, they will stop for about 2 seconds, run over to you and start the whole "50k OK" crap; whether you cancel or buy, after the window is closed they resume their spam right where they left off.

glountz · Nov 21, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Hmmm....
So let's say all these players are chinese professional farmers.
Why do they do that?
To make virtual gold.
Why do they make gold? Because professional farmers can sell gold for true dollars.
Why do they sell gold for true dollars? Because there are so many rich Americans or European gamers who are so full of dollars/euros that they see no problems to buy VIRTUAL goods; on the other hand Asian people have to eat and it is a fun way to make money and to supply for your family. Think of this: being paid to play video games. A dream becomes true.
Solution to stop Chinese Farming?
Strike at the source: ban all the players who buy virtual gold on net.
Why it's not done?
Eh. Gamers who buy virtual gold are Anet's customers too. They paid for the game. Worst, each bot/professional farmer is a game sold, too.
And Anet is a company that is not making games for fun. They make it for money.
Unless farming bots disgusts so much GW community that every one leave the game, nothing will be done about this.

my 2 cents,
sorry for the english.

neoteo · Nov 21, 2005, 05:15 PM // 17:15

the good thing about guildwars is that everyone can meet in international , lets not make it a place for flames and racism

kimo the healer · Nov 21, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Let them farm (bots/no bots, who cares).
I farm all the time, and i bet all of you farm also.

How else are you gonna get a 15^50, 10/10 30hp gold weapon?
All people that goto uw or fow, are farming (ecto/shard/gold items).
Why else would you go? to do the same quests over and over again?

unienaule · Nov 21, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

One other important note. Farming the UW is not done by many people solo now, most of them do it with 2 people.

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

At the same time, the number of monks leaving Augury through west exit is much lower than before.

Are we finished beating a dead horse here?

Alexandria Kotov · Nov 21, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

This thread was so amusing, I sat here and read through all 6 pages instead of doing the work I'm being paid too.

I've got all that research, and yet I still can't decide what's more pathetic, the people endlessly making up insane hypothetical situations to explain what's a fairly bloody obvious set of farmers, or the people they're discussing.

Ancient PC, you're beginning to look sad. Seriously man, it's emberassing to read at this point. Flame me, flame others, but at least come up with plausible defensive arguments. Numa whatever is making valid retorts, calm, reasonable arguments, and is being fairly (though nor perfectly) respectful of other people's opinions when he responds to them.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Either that, or you're not doing a very good job of presenting your case.

I love this little exchange. It shows the complete lack of understanding of all things "asianese", and it shows some very bright people making fools of themselves for no reason.

In fact, I have to join that party? Why am I logging into this little rumble in the first place? I've finally figured it out. It's not you guys, or the famers, or the Ebay buyers... I'm the idiot for getting involved. And so is everyone else who spouts off an opinion on this without supporting arguments, or something new to say.

Signed,
Moron, logging off.

Monica Angelina · Nov 21, 2005, 06:12 PM // 18:12

So, besides latent racism and a mild case of [-----] envy, exactly what is wrong with farming and people "playing" the game differently than the way you want to play the game?

I have a friend whom I've been trying to get to play GW for months. He feels that he *needs* to play WoW in his free time since he is paying for it because "GW is not as good because Anet couldn't charge a monthly for it". Is he right? Of course not! Can I call him names just because he has a different (albeit flawed ^.^) opinion?

It's a big world out there, if the tiny virtual world of GW is getting you down, log off, go out side, soak up some warmth of the sun, give your (insert favorite person/pet/whatever) a kiss, a hug, take a deep breath, and just be thankful for what you have and remind yourself that others may not have the luxuries that you have taken for granted.

AncientPC · Nov 21, 2005, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Alexandria Kotov

This thread was so amusing, I sat here and read through all 6 pages instead of doing the work I'm being paid too.

I've got all that research, and yet I still can't decide what's more pathetic, the people endlessly making up insane hypothetical situations to explain what's a fairly bloody obvious set of farmers, or the people they're discussing.

Ancient PC, you're beginning to look sad. Seriously man, it's emberassing to read at this point. Flame me, flame others, but at least come up with plausible defensive arguments. Numa whatever is making valid retorts, calm, reasonable arguments, and is being fairly (though nor perfectly) respectful of other people's opinions when he responds to them.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. Either that, or you're not doing a very good job of presenting your case.

I love this little exchange. It shows the complete lack of understanding of all things "asianese", and it shows some very bright people making fools of themselves for no reason.

In fact, I have to join that party? Why am I logging into this little rumble in the first place? I've finally figured it out. It's not you guys, or the famers, or the Ebay buyers... I'm the idiot for getting involved. And so is everyone else who spouts off an opinion on this without supporting arguments, or something new to say.

Signed,
Moron, logging off.

Alright, I'll be blunt then.

1) I'm bored at work, you can tell from the quantity of posts. Sometimes I argue for the sake of arguing.

2) There are underlying tones of racism throughout several of the posts which I am severely ticked off about.

3) Pro farmers are the minority, not the majority of Augury 1.

4) Blanket statements and generalizations should be avoided at all costs.

There's my stand in a nutshell.

kimo the healer · Nov 21, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

I was curious, so i went there.
Since i'm not a beta tester, i can't change the language.
Anyone know how to say "wtb crystalline sword or chaos axe req8" in chinese?

yangster · Nov 21, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I've been there before but I never saw people spamming stuff like merchants. I'll go back today just because I'm curious and want to see it with my own eyes.

headachebr · Nov 22, 2005, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Just one thing for you guys to think about...

Farming is not ILLEGAL!

Using Bot is...

So if somebody is farming going in and out of augury d1... ANET cannot do anything as long as they are not using Bot programs..

Okay guys? Thanks and HF =)

Fyre Brand · Nov 22, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Meh. At least have the courtesy to go there and look before you imply I'm a racist. Remember to look at some random other locations in the intl district, and contemplate the difference.

As people seem unable to grasp, or perhaps unwilling to acknowledge, the concept of virtual farming for real cash, I did a quick sweep of the net, and found e.g. these:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815
http://www.gameguidesonline.com/guid...tober05_01.asp

It's not about Guildwars specifically, but the principles are the same.

You know I never said "you". You added that. I wasn't necessarily referring to you at all. I was making a general observation. And you pulled one part of my post out of context.

The point I was making in that post is people from different places and cultures play the game differently and also socialize in different ways. We are playing a game owned by Asians. Yes, that's right. Koreans own this game and whether you want to believe it or not Asians play online games with a much greater intensity than the typical North American. Every game put out by NCSoft is closely watched by Koreans, Chinese and Taiwanese. NCSoft is the premier Asian gaming company outside of Japan.

It is very likely that some of the people in the Int Dist are cheaters. But definitely not all of them. And, by the way, I have been in that district, and others quite often. You shouldn't make an assumption that just because I don't agree with you that I haven't experienced the situation. I just have a different outlook than you do.

When I played Lineage a lot one of the people who taught me the game was from China. He explained a lot to me about the Chinese way of playing as well as the competition between Korea, China and Taiwan players. There is a whole different mindset about using account teams and even with using third party programs.

I'm not saying I endorse or approve the use of bots or cheats, because I don't. I'm only trying to point out that there is a whole different culture playing the game and they are going to socialize and behave differently.

If you were playing on Chinese servers and found a decent place to farm where other English speaking people hung out and B.S.'d, wouldn't you hang out there? If some of the English speakers might (or might not be) cheaters would you not hang out in that district at all just because of that fact? Or would you go hang out in the Chinese main districts where people kept asking you if you were a cheater just because you're American.

Do you even see where I'm going with this? Everybody likes to have a villian to project onto. But choosing a race to objectify just because.... maybe ... or I read a website that was close .... or whatever is just wrong.

Maybe if we spent some time getting to know people we might be able to learn from them. Instead of being jealous of how successful other people are at farming, get to know them and learn to hunt cool items yourself. Believe it or not it's possible to have and hunt for killer drops at the same time. I just don't see the reason for all the hate.

Willy Rockwell · Nov 22, 2005, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Haung Yu

Can I go to LA District 1, take a screenshot, and say the same thing?

You could, but you would find LA Int empty...that's the point. Almost every Int. is virtually empty except Augury.

It's a shame racism is invoked in this conversation. It has nothing to do with racism. If the drones in Augury were speaking French I would still have mentioned it. Would it have been racist then?

I am in favor of a free market, but when game gold is sold on Ebay it disrupts the economy for those of us who don't want to link our world money with game money. I mean, for fifty dollars you could become filthy rich in the game, and that doesn't seem fair.

This whole thread was worth it to read Ancient PC's admission:

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"1) I'm bored at work, you can tell from the quantity of posts. Sometimes I argue for the sake of arguing."

AxeMe · Nov 22, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I know a lot of the concerns here are NOT racist.

But I also know that - all too often - I hear racist comments when I'm in an area filled with text from Chinese and Korean players.

The attitude often is that, somehow, they shouldn't be there because they don't speak English. The great thing about the Internet is that it does let us move beyond borders and, when we're lucky, actually learn something about the rest of the people in the world. To me, it's a plus, not a minus, when a mission area is crowded with people from all over.

Some of the comments I read in game (not here) are amazing. I have heard people say that the Asians are stupid because they can't speak English. It would be funny if not so sad since I suspect the people making those comments do not have the ability to speak other languages. Many of the most obnoxious comments come from people who are native English speakers (as I am) who seem to have trouble speaking English in any coherent way.

Look are some of these people farming? I'd be amazed if they were not. I sure spend too much time farming myself. Are some of them working for sweat shops farming gold? Yeap. And it's a shame that happens, I'm against it. But, even there, it's wrong to blame the people who do it ... they're trying to earn a living under tough circumstances.

I know this sounds sort of bleeding heart but I've been bothered by the instant zenophobia in game for a long time. Most players aren't that way, but there are enough of the others to poison the atmosphere at times.

Again, I want to be clear here - I'm not saying that people in this forum who are against gold farming from sweat shops are wrong ... I'm just saying that sometimes the arguments play into the hands of those who are.

Sister Rosette · Nov 22, 2005, 01:39 PM // 13:39

To be honest I'm suprised it took this many pages to turn into a race war.
I feel like I'm in ToA when we don't have favor.